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Five Monroe Properties Change Hands

Houses sold on Webb Circle and on Spinning Wheel, Fan Hill, Moose Hill and Bug Hill roads.

On April 10, Carl Parker sold a house at 421 Webb Circle to Douglas H. Munson  for $20,865.29. (Editor's Note: There must be something more to this for the price to be that low. This is how it was listed in the property transfers)

On April 11, Dirceu Pradella sold a house at 558 Fan Hill Road to William Comacho for $250,000.

On April 16, Cecelia Bory's Estate sold a house at 256 Moose Hill Road to Eugene St. and Jamie J. Waggaman for $255,000.

On April 16, Gary Kunschaft sold a house at 51 Spinning Wheel Road to Michael Putnam for $420,000.

On April 17, Diane and Theodore Faiella sold a house at 88 Bug Hill Road to Phibin Flanagan for $412,000.

monroe taxpayer April 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Have we seen one that has been spot on yet? Over the last several weeks the majority have been assessed for more then the selling price. The one at 421 Webb Circle is amazing, total assessment was $122,900 and sold for $20,865. The land alone was assessed at $121,000. I truly hope there is more to this story then desperation. No one deserve to loose like that?
Donna Gail April 21, 2012 at 01:42 AM
You do know the assessments can't possibly be updated every year, right? And that we've been in a recession?
monroe taxpayer April 21, 2012 at 02:29 AM
This is 2012 and yet we can not correct a antiquated system that taxes everyone's largest investment inaccurately and unfairly? We have upgraded other government functions but it is imposable to correct this one? Why not?
monroe taxpayer April 21, 2012 at 02:42 AM
I fine it odd that you are here defending inaccuracy. Can we be this inaccurate when submitting a tax payment of any kind? So why should we just accept be taxed in accurately? I totally understand that we are in a recession but our current property taxes do not reflect the recession at all.
Walt April 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM
I believe there is a small window of time early in the year to appeal your assessment, but you better do your homework and have significant proof of the inaccuracy. Taking the town as a whole I hope you do know that whatever the assessment, accurate, inaccurate, high or low the taxes will not go down, they will just massage the mill rate.
KikiMoon April 21, 2012 at 02:46 PM
The property on Webb Circle has a collapsed structure, tons of garbage. There was a man living there for years who resided in a deteriorating camper/RV. He was very nasty....anyone who walked up to see the collapsed structures was met with a rifle and a warning to never come back. Still, the property is worth more than 20,000+.
john zoe April 21, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Our assessments are nothing more then opinion. It was decided before reevaluation began that there was going to be an increase. The market was falling but that fact was ignored. Here in Monroe reality is explained away with nothing more then opinions. This is also why in most cases appeals did not matter. Want proof watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlqIxZfhq0&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL243EBC3C4A8C37D5
John F. April 21, 2012 at 09:34 PM
When was the last revaluation before the 2009? Was it 5 or 10 years prior? And of course an assessment is an opinion on the value of your home. Unfortunately, your home is not often bought and sold so there is no way to have an up to date continuous value in place.
john zoe April 22, 2012 at 01:48 AM
The assessor made the decision before the data was collected. It was based on her personal views and not the results of what the market was actually doing . It is clear that the market was falling then and continue to fall but yet the property owners received increased assessment based solely on only the assessor incorrect opinion. Wouldn't it also have been the assessor job to add those fees for the Forest Rd water line extension? Just what hell is going on here? For what it cost to live here it is simply insulting that employees are never held accountable for their repeated errors. There is something very wrong with Monroe because this would never be allowed in the last town I lived in. There the town belong to the taxpayers, not to the employees and politicians.
monroe taxpayer April 22, 2012 at 07:57 PM
Thank you Kikimoon I also asked around and found that this induvual had reason for his behaviour. There was a tax lien on his property so he had no choice. He lived there for his entire life and the property originally belong to his parents. He attended school here and later held a job. It sounds like he was one of the working poor. His distrust of strangers came from an incident that happened years ago when there was a fire and the some town officals descibed his very poor living confditions in the newspaper. It sounds to me, while this person had his issues that the town government did more to hurt him then to help him and basicly costed him his families home.
john zoe April 22, 2012 at 08:22 PM
Here is more inforamtion on the story of 421 Webb Circle http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/An-old-law-that-could-help-a-lot-of-struggling-3500595.php
john zoe April 22, 2012 at 08:39 PM
Town of Monroe should be so proud. What a friendly and caring place to live They made a life long resident homeless with there inaction, lack of compassion and unfair assessments. Here is proof. What did this guy get for his land $20,865 for something that was assessed for $121,000. They seem to be perfectly willing to do this to residents but refuse to hold any employees accountable for the water line fiasco or themselves responsible for results like this.
KikiMoon April 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Thank you, monroe taxpayer. I wasn't aware of the entire story, only knew that he would scare people off with a gun. I was told to never go up there. There are actually a few collapsed structures that were/are quite enticing to area kids and urban explorers.
KikiMoon April 22, 2012 at 10:20 PM
P.S....I hope the individual who lived at 421 Webb Circle has found a much better and happier place to live. Very sad story though...
john zoe April 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Welcome to Monroe The decision was made not to help anyone because we may have to help more of the poorest residents in town. If our elected officials refuse to help the poorest in town then just who are they be concerned with helping? What does the last several weeks of headlines say about character of leadership of Monroe? They refuse to point fingers at employees for several years of errors but have no problem giving the very new and or poor property owner the ................
Donna Gail April 23, 2012 at 06:21 PM
No one's defending inaccuracy. Just a few points - my assessment actually went down with the last revaluation, and I know of several others. But no one wants their assessment to go down TOO much if they ever plan on selling the home. I believe the last assessment before 2009 was 10 years prior. If people really want assessments done every year - how do they expect to pay for this? We hired a re-valuation company with a pretty good reputation, and they ended up messing everything up & costing the town tons of money, not to mention all the upset taxpayers. And Walt has a good point about "massaging the mill rate" - unfortunately there are many ways to present numbers, and this isn't unique to Monroe, but things can pretty much always be manipulated.
Donna Gail April 23, 2012 at 06:22 PM
....in MY opinion, that is.
Steve Kirsch April 23, 2012 at 07:15 PM
Donna, the one before 2009 was in 2003.
john zoe April 24, 2012 at 03:35 PM
The reason we had so many appeals was do to increases, in some cases large unexpected increases. The company that did the last revaluation did not have a good reputation. in fact other towns they serviced threaten legal actions. A monkey with a dart board could have done as well. Here is a link to the video of the assessor describing her opinion before the reevaluation was completed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT0abJlH34I&feature=relmfu Now here is a link to Zillow and and Monroe home values during this time http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CT-Monroe-home-value/r_46578/#metric=mt%3D34%26dt%3D1%26tp%3D6%26rt%3D8%26r%3D46578%26el%3D0 It is clear that Monroe property values were falling, yet the assessor who ignored reality and replaced reality with opinion. So It seems our assessments are NOT based on fair market value. Now why shouldn't we be able to submit an appraisal yearly and have our assessments adjusted. If an appraisal is acceptable to banks and mortgage companies so it should be acceptable to town government..
Christine E. April 24, 2012 at 04:00 PM
You can't always trust Zillow's accuracy. Zillow doesn't take into consideration home remodeling unless it's disclosed on the website by the homeowner. While it can be accurate, it can also be grossly inaccurate.
John F. April 24, 2012 at 04:20 PM
Based on your zillow page, prices in Monroe were slightly higher in early 2009 than in 2003. So the premise that overall, the revaluations should be higher seems accurate. The revaluation is not a forward looking at what home prices are doing, but rather what they are at that point in time. And as Christine has pointed out, zillow is not a reliable source. Over a period of 2 months, my property value fluctuated between $178K and $522K. I should have sold on the high side. Too bad it plummeted within 30 days. I would like homes to be revalued each year as well, however to have an appraisal done each year could be quite costly. Assuming you are paying $350 to have an appraisal done on your home, and you are currently paying $7500 in taxes, that would equate to nearly an extra 5% each year in your taxes.
john zoe April 24, 2012 at 04:21 PM
@Christine E I am referring to Zillow's graph and the over all trend for this time period in question. You seem to be implying that property values have not decreased?
Christine E. April 24, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Did I imply that? Funny, I thought I was implying that Zillow is not a reliable source.
john zoe April 24, 2012 at 04:52 PM
@ John F So why was the assessor in this video addressing current and future trends? She state she felt the market would remain flat but Monroe would hold its value. Why was she formulating an opinion before reevaluation was completed, based on future trends? It seems that you are over looking the over all trend for the time period and trying to justify an increase with a "slightly higher" blip. Slightly higher seemed have caused the largest number of appeals we ever had.here.
John F. April 24, 2012 at 05:10 PM
A revaluation is not to predict what the value of your home is going to be in a year or two. It is to assess a value at a given point in time. Just because the trend had been downward since 2006, does not automatically equate to mean values need to be lower, primarily because values had increased at a great rate from 2003 to 2006. Based on current trends, if all else stays the same, it should be safe to assume that the next revaluation will come in lower than it did in 2009. But, that would just be at THIS point in time. There are still two more years before that next revalutaion.
Christine E. April 24, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Zoe, This is directly from the Connecticut Government Website: "Revaluations are meant to capture changes in fair market value. The fair market value of real property (i.e., land and buildings) tends to fluctuate while the value of personal property (e.g., cars, cash registers, and copiers) tends to decrease. Consequently, fair market values change between revaluations. As they change, properties' assessed values no longer reflect 70% of the actual fair market values. Revaluation captures the change in fair market value and adjusts the assessment to reflect 70% of that value. To capture these changes, towns must revalue property at least once every five years (CGS § 12-62b(1))." Nothing about this process has to do with future predictions, it has to do with maintaining 70% of fair market value, which is a requirement by law.
john zoe April 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Wow are we trying to cloud the issue here or are we just having a misunderstanding? I never claimed a reevaluation is it meant to be a prediction The assessor was justifying her opinion with a prediction of what the market was going to do? When the FS brought up the current decreases in property values, she claimed it would remain flat and but claimed Monroe would keep its value. That was her prediction not mine. My point is that the market values were decreasing even before the reevaluation was finished. Increases were larger then it should have been and it was due to her opinion and not based in fact, She formulated her opinion even before the results of the reevaluation was done. If one's opinions are so bias before the results are in, what do you think they will find? The idea of declining property values was dismissed before we had the results.
Cheryl Cuff April 28, 2012 at 01:09 PM
The property may be worth 121,000. but take in to consideration that you have to get the old house and all the garbage out of there and with all the new laws regarding the enviroment that will cost a pretty penny there has never been a septic system there or running water so it will not be that easy to do anything with the property. As Kikimoon said you couldn't even get on the property withoiut being greed by a nasty 59 year old man with a gun. The town should never of let that house stay like that for over 30 years!!!
monroe taxpayer April 28, 2012 at 10:55 PM
@Cheryl Cuff If this property has all these issues why would you or anyone want access to Mr Parker property? Would you be OK with supplying strangers access to your property with a collapsed building? I do agree that this building should have been taken care of before this. Our Volunteer Fire Departments could have used it for a practice drill. I wonder if anyone offered that suggestion to Mr Parker. If the sales prices was reduced due to $20,000 because of these issues, why was it assessed for $121,000? The difference might have let Mr Parker keep his families home. It seems we are willing to increase taxes but do not want to address what that does to some individuals in our town. It also appears our elected officials could have offered help but refused to do so because there maybe more individuals that would also need help. So they chose to ignore them all. I wonder what Jesus would say? I wonder what He would do?

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