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Monroe Moves Properties in August

The following is a listing of the property transfers from the Town Clerks Office through Aug. 22.

Shannon Lynn Beardsley and Shannon T. Beardsley sold a house at 256 Fan Hill Road to Jessica Essenter for $325,000 on Aug. 2.

Hanna H. and Han C. Choi sold a house at 32 Woods Row to Rebecca and Ryan Audet for $519,000 on Aug. 2.

Atsuko and Michael Giampaoli sold a house at 50 Lorraine Drive to George P. DaSilva for $265,000 om Aug. 3.

Deutsche Bank sold a condo at 206E Windgate Circle to Faith E. Laton $128,625 on Aug. 6.

Clarence Thomas Hill sold at house at 269 Purdy Hill Road to Priscilla and Kenneth Twombly for $170,000.

Katherine and John Marconi sold a house at 60 Stonewall Lane to National Res Nom Services for $586,000 on Aug. 8.

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National Res Nom Services sold a house at 60 Stonewall Lane to Brooke and Shawn Ewald for $586,000 on Aug. 8.

Patricia and John J. Zerjav sold a house at 55 Melon Patch Lane to Lauren and Jonathan Pinto for $385,000 on Aug. 10.

Georgia and Justin Orlando sold a condo at 1 Pequot Court to National Res Nom Services for $390,500 on Aug. 14.

Gregory and Joann Cocca sold a house at 87 Redcoat Lane to Arthur Coleman for $395,000 on Aug. 15.

Susan P. Skiba sold a house at 308 Webb Circle to Lindsay Darling and Brian Schrameck $427,500 on Aug. 20.

The Estate of Lucille M. Cote sold land at 1477 Monroe Turnpike to Jonathan H. Millo for $235,000 on Aug. 21.

Kathleen Hering sold a new home at 7 Blakeman Drive to Caroline Fox for $230,000 on Aug. 21.

Diane Iacurci sold a condo at 44 Stillmeadow Circle to Joseph Ziehl for $155,000 on Aug. 22.

The Estate of Howard Metcalf sold a house at 63 Birchwood Road to Arthur and Andrey Galpin for $162,000 on Aug. 22.

monroe taxpayer August 30, 2012 at 02:48 AM
256 Fan Hill Sold for$325,000 Assessor valuation $321,000 32 Woods Row Sold for $519,000 Assessor valuation $537,600 50 Lorraine Dr Sold for $265,000 Assessor valuation $314,600 206e Windgate Cir Sold for $128,625 Assessor valuation $184,600 60 Stonewall La Sold for $585,000 Assessor valuation $650,300 55 Melon Patch Sold for $385,000 Assessor valuation $436,200 1 Pequot Sold for $390,500 Assessor valuation $422,800 308 Webb Cir Sold for $427,500 Assessor valuation $515,100 1477 Monroe Tnpk Sold for $1,762.50 ?? Assessor valuation $331,400 7 Blakeman Dr Sold for $230,000 Assessor valuation $299,500 44 Stillmeadow Cir Sold for $155,000 Assessor valuation $215,000 63 Birchwood Sold for $162,000 Assessor valuation $260,600
Carol Ruggiero August 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Thanks for this feature in Monroe Patch. Carol
Carl Kolchak August 30, 2012 at 01:09 PM
In Connecticut, an assessment or value of the property is equal to 70% of the fair market value as established by the municipal Assessor during a revaluation. So if the municipal assessor determines the fair market value of the property to be $300,000, the assessed value is 70% of that or $210,000. The property tax is determined based on that value.
Steve Kirsch August 30, 2012 at 01:58 PM
Carl, you might want to ignore these postings of Monroe Taxpayer and Jon Watson as they just use these sales articles to attack the town assessor and the 5-yr revaluation cycle. They know (or at least have been told) how the process works and how taxes are calculated.
Monroe Guy August 30, 2012 at 01:59 PM
So what if home prices be going down. This not be a place to be movin to just to buy a home and to be raising a family. For way to long people be thinking and saying that Monroe be a place to be educating kids. A lot a talk about good schools and such. Now Mr. Vavrek be closing one of them ther schools and he be to closing another one too ifin those education people not be standin in his way. And that all be right thinking because this here be a farmin community. Always was and always will be. Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O’Hara on the P&Z be knowin that and they be helping to return things back to the way they use to be. Mr. Vavrek be closin down the schools and Mr. O’Hara be keeping out the businesses while promoting our right to be farmin. I be supporting these two fine men and the hard work they be doing to fix our community that being back to the ways it used to be. Five ten years back so what if we had good schools and pricy homes, we were loosing our farmin and that wern’t no good. We be on the right track now.
monroe taxpayer August 30, 2012 at 03:41 PM
If the Assessor total valuation is incorrect and our tax bills are 70% of those amounts, then everyone tax bill is simply incorrect and these numbers show that. If we filed our state or local income taxes and were incorrect by these amounts what would happen? Would it just be excused? Now I am not here to bash anyone or any political party. I simply would like a obvious problem, that effects every families home and everyone's largest investment FIXED. But yet we have some political characters here who claim everyone should just ignore thIS problem They seem to be more interested in politics then solving problems. Why would anyone argue against fairness and accuracy? Simply because they have no way to dispute this data and their supposedly intelligent solution is, If you don't like what the real world numbers are saying just ignore them? Is this the logic their opinions they post based on? Well maybe its time to fix a broken antiquated system? Where is all that concern for families they have claim to have when it comes to passing yet another yearly budget increase? It seems to have disappeared, along with the increased property values they promised everyone for years and years.
Barney August 30, 2012 at 03:46 PM
Who be caring about house prices. I be born and raised here and I not be leaving. Mr. Vavrek be correct when in so saying that parents who be caring about schools be education lovers. I be agreeing that school be for reading writing and math. People be graduating with fancy diplomas and not be working and that be why education not be mattering. Mr. Vavrek. be not afraid to be saying education not be mattering. Big thinking be happening when Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O'Hara be meeting every day. Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O'Hara going to start closing more schools down. Mr. O'Hara said we need to close down more schools so we need to close down more schools. Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O'Hara working on keeping business and families out of town. Mr. O'Hara not be afraid to say he don't be wanting families to be moving to Monroe. Mr. Vavrek be saying more than 35 kids be fitting into a classroom and that be just fine because back in the day it be fine for him. Mr. Vavrek be having his priorities straight and he be knowing that education not mattering and keeping out new business from ruining the farming. It not be mattering that Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O'Hara be spending $800,000 on fancy lawyers. At least that money not being spent on fancy school computers. I don't need a computer when I be in school and Mr. Vavrek not be needing a computer when he be in school so that means we don't need computers in school. I salute Mr. Vavrek and Mr. O'Hara and if you be a normal thinking you be too.
Loria August 30, 2012 at 04:00 PM
Find out what it costs the town to have these appraisals done THEN decide if you want to do them at the same rate the real estate market moves; that includes times when the market spirals up as well as down. Monroe uses the same procedure and policy that all other 169 cities and towns in CT uses. These are the details that must be stated to correct the misinformed.
Voice of Reason August 30, 2012 at 04:16 PM
@Monroe taxpayer--so when property values rose sharply in Monroe circa 2005, should those homeowners have retroactively paid more property taxes because the assessed value of their homes was well BELOW market value? Selling prices are dynamic and market-based. Only a complete annual reassessment would help, but not entirely fix, your concerns and I highly doubt any town does that. You are looking for a level of accuracy and fairness that will never exist.
monroe taxpayer August 30, 2012 at 05:07 PM
There is no intent to misinform here and yes the entire state uses the same flawed antiquated system. It should be corrected for everyone benefit and would be great if it was addressed at the state level. But Towns do not have the exact same health, building or zoning regulations are different from the state regulation and vary from town to town. The same applies to spending for example we spend here in Monroe far more then state averages for education. Why should this issue be treated differently? The point is someone should address this problem at some level instead of just accepting something that is obviously flawed.
Steve Kirsch August 30, 2012 at 05:11 PM
Loria, I think the cost is around $100,000. I would never want to spend that kind of money each year to adjust a value that in the end does not change the actual amount of taxes that I will pay.
Steve Kirsch August 30, 2012 at 05:18 PM
Jon, What makes you say that they got the values wrong back in 2009? Cleary you can not use home sales 3 years later to identify if the values were wrong in 2008/09.
monroe taxpayer August 30, 2012 at 05:28 PM
@ voice of reason Are you saying that everyone's property assessment and tax bill being based on a peak that happened in 2005 as it is currently being done? That is data that is 7 years old? Why with all the technology we now have in place shouldn't assessment update in a more realistic time frame? We seem to have money and energy for all other issues except this one. All assessment should be based on current fair market value not data that happened 7 years ago. I can not think of any other tax that would accept data that is several years old. You can not say we could never achieve something if you never try , that is simply giving up. Where would we be if we applied that to everything else?
Voice of Reason August 30, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Barney--Your posting looks shockingly similar to that of Monroe Guy's above, who has the same photo as Jethro, who often shares the same views as Joey. None of you "four" can seem to avoid the temptation of attacking Mr Vavrek and Mr O'Hara in nearly every posting, irrespective of the topic, so you would probably get along quite well if you all met up for coffee one day. If you are the old-school simple Monroe gentleman that you portray yourself to be, then why not take your issues with Vavrek and O'Hara directly to them like in the old days rather than leaving comments on Patch that are stale and unhumorous? And no, I am not a Vavrek or O'Hara "lover", but when I had a couple issues, I emailed and spoke with Mr. Vavrek directly and found him reasonable to deal with. I've had no dealings with Mr. O'Hara but if I volunteered in town government I'd much rather people contact me directly with their complaints rather than leave comments on Patch. Your postings do nothing but reflect poorly on your own party.
Steve Kirsch August 30, 2012 at 08:06 PM
Jon, is the yearly appraisal a physical inspection or just an electronic calculation applying the prior year transactions or some other similar logic? Could you please tell me what State / County / City or Town does this and who generates the tax bill (state or local level). Thanks
Voice of Reason August 30, 2012 at 08:20 PM
No monroe taxpayer, in my example I was not suggesting today's taxes be based on 2005 levels. I believe reassessments are done every 5 years, so our current taxes are based on a 2008 assessment if I recall correctly. My point is that yes, property values have dropped since the 2008 reassessment. However, back in 2005, property values had increased since the prior reassessment so it can go in either direction. If you are arguing that people are overpaying taxes now because their property values dropped, then wouldn't they have been underpaying taxes back when their values increased compared to their assessments?. My assessed value was reduced back in 2008 but since then I know my value decreased even further. There is not much one can do about that until the next reassessment is done. Even so, if most homes are reassessed at lower amounts, then the mill rate just needs to increase to compensate for that drop. Tax dollars needed to fund the town is equal to total property value multiplied by mill rate.
Oldblooeyz August 30, 2012 at 08:25 PM
The town and BOE budgets have to be paid by the taxpayers. If the assessment goes down the mil rate goes up. Zero sum gain
the watcher August 30, 2012 at 10:59 PM
@Steve Kirsch There is something to be gained, it creditability and honesty.. Seeing you and others here seem to be D"s, and always seem to support all budget increases is this the D position on this issue? If we all were assessed accurately the mill rate might be higher, making it be much harder to continually increase spending, is that why you feel the way you do? Are you more worried more about increasing government budgets then fellow your citizens? There are are three lots all side by side same terrain. The middle one is smaller yet is assessed ten of thousands more then either larger lots. Can anyone explain that? I have even seen lots in more desirable locations assessed for less. Something is out of touch here and these numbers prove it.
Monroe Guy August 31, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Sounds like you're making fun of farming. Mr. Voice of Reason or who ever you are you be saying that you not be a Vavrek or O'Hara lover. What is wrong with you? These are great men working harder than a couple of flys at a rodeo. They be trying to close the schools and to be keepin the binnis out so as we can get back to farmin.
jim laguardia August 31, 2012 at 01:30 AM
You two are just not funny....
Monroe Guy August 31, 2012 at 04:15 AM
Jim, there be nothing funny about farming. Farming be serious binnis and Mr. O'Hara be understandin that and that's why he and Mr. Vavrek worked so hard to pass the right to be farmin law here in Monroe. Jim you need to be supportin Mr. O'Hara so he can be workin the P&Z to keep the binnis out and the farms stay here.
Steve Kirsch August 31, 2012 at 06:20 AM
Watcher, what makes you say that the assessments were not accurate? There are 11 homes on my street and every one declined in value during the last reval. They are not all the same value because they don't all sit on the same same lots, they are not all the same size, some have finished basements and some have pools, etc. I can say they are different, but I can't say they were not accurate. As to mil rate - we vote on total spending (or spending increases) the mil rate results from that, not the other way around. Regarding the 3 properties in a row - I can't explain differences since you did not provide the addresses. Go look at the online field cards and see if you can identify differences in the properties - number of rooms, A/C, etc.
jim laguardia August 31, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Nope..... Still not funny.... Annoying? yes, funny? No
the watcher September 01, 2012 at 03:44 PM
@ Steve Kirsch You seem to believe because all the homes on your street declined in value during the last reval that is true for everyone else? I know of several that increased and the increases were the reason for of the amount of appeals that took place. I forget the exact figure but there were more appeals then we ever experienced before. What makes you believe that there are not still errors? The three properties I mention are not mine. You seem to have missed the point, I was NOT referring to the differences in the homes. I was talking about the differences in three lots, all side by side, all with the same terrain and basically the same shape. The two larger ones are assessed for ten of thousands less then the smaller one? There is no way anyone can logically explain this. The owner went through the appeal process and received nothing more then a nonsense reply that property values have increase in 2005 even though they were falling at the time of the reval. And this is far from the only case. I have spoken to several other property owners who also feel they were treated unfairly. Your dismissal of this this issue and your unwillingness to believe other property owners shows a lack of judgement and fairness.
the watcher September 02, 2012 at 03:18 AM
Thank You, that is great advice. I could not agree more "don't confuse us with the facts" seem to be the over all theme here. It appears that there are many property owners who are still paying more then the should ?
Steve Kirsch September 02, 2012 at 08:42 AM
Walt, I'm not a cheerleader for the assessor. My point is that there no data to support the claim of massive errors or something that is structurally in-equatable. Furthermore, of the 7,840 accounts only 130 (1.66%) filed an appeal. I just don't view that as a significant number. Lastly, to compare home sales today, or even estimated values today to 2009 one would expect significantly lower values than 2009. That does not mean that the 2009 values were incorrect. Walt, did you go to a formal hearing on your appeal? I don't see your name in the published list of outcomes. Evaluations by their very nature, even using the computer analysis of past sales, is partly subjective, so I'm sure that there will always be someone who feels their assessment was not correct and since some appeals are upheld then I think the process works.
Peg September 03, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Thank you Walt or the information. I was able to have my evaluation reduced. I was upset to hear that all that the person doing the evaluation had done was take a photo of the front of my house and assess it's worth from same. It shows my house had curb appeal and nothing else. Kind of like buying an article of clothing without ever examining the workmanship.
Carl Kolchak September 03, 2012 at 04:18 PM
Thanks Walt. This is very helpful.
Bill Bittar (Editor) September 04, 2012 at 04:44 PM
The Town Clerk's Office made a correction for 1477 Monroe Tpke saying the actual sales price was $235,000.

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